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Humane Killing?

I have no experience, I did separate a cock for disposal, sharpened the axe and released him when the deadline for neck separation loomed.

Apparently it takes 30S for feeling to go after decapitation and I would assume the same is going to apply to cervical dislocation.
This does not seem like a pleasant exit :-(
The broom handle technique that seems to be recommended practice by a few seems fraught with possibilities for problems too.

Has anyone experience of electrical stunning?

I could easily make up a suitable device to provide Voltage and current, but if anyone has seen Tom Hanks in the Green Mile, the thoughts of getting it wrong are worrying.

I am considering head stunning and the cocks look easy with the comb and wattles to carry the current, the Drakes and none laying ducks might be a problem. A soap solution seems likely to conduct and ensure an instant end to any sensation, but my normal attempts at trying something new is to end up making errors and correcting on the second go.

This is not really acceptable in this case, so has anyone tried anything along these lines?

The kill cone and knife approach is well outside of my ability. I stopped fishing because the practice of clouting the things on the head was getting too upsetting :-(

If anyone has pointers or practical advice I would be grateful.

kwackers
Wednesday, November 23rd, 2022

Dislocation is almost certainly the most humane way to go but don't try to teach yourself out of books or off the Internet. Find someone to show you and walk through it the first few times until you feel proficient, either a poultry keeper or someone who shoots as they often have to dispatch wounded birds and can be very proficient. If the bird is very large you may be better off with the broom handle technique.

Glyn
Thursday, November 24th, 2022

Thanks, I looked into it and did consider a humane killer, Mc Eoins in Dingle list one and I was tempted although the principle seems basic and not difficult to emulate using materials to hand. The information I read on the internet suggests that for beheading, life is still indicated by brain activity for up to 30S after the event.
My thoughts are that dislocation might be marginally worse as the blood pressure might be maintained if bleeding into the neck cavity has any back pressure.

There is the point that the 30S noted for beheading would in part be due to the constriction of the blood vessels at the cutting point though if that happens.

The current plan is to buy some solid brass wire and make some flexible electrodes, I can do a few dry runs and measure the resistance. The value will be an idea of what to expect and the kwackers will only suffer a little bit of stress that a bag of frozen peas might offset.

I base the "plan" on a view of the electrodes offered for sale commercially. These leave a lot to be desired, in fact you can even see the gripping lines on the body of each individual "electrode" which is a bit of a giveaway as to the mark up they are making for a few brass panel pins mounted on a far too firm base to give good contact without serious levels of compression.

When I can get a repeatable reading I will then perhaps apply a level of Voltage to provide the 300 to 400mA current flow recommended for stunning. .

I worked with someone once who was treated for mental problems with electricity and he didn't seem traumatised by it at all.

Anyway that's the plan so far and if I have any doubts I will abandon the operation and leave it to someone who is pretty efficient, he did some drakes a year or two back, but I didn't care to be around for the event.

kwackers
Thursday, November 24th, 2022

Plenty videos on you tube to help you.

The easy way if you have not don it before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjkxHFnI9Ik

roostercroweburn
Thursday, November 24th, 2022

We use the broom handle method. It works well even for large poultry like geese and turkeys. Also as you do not break the skin like decapitation, so you can safely hang them up for a while if you wish.

Pam
Friday, November 25th, 2022

Many thanks!
I had seen a couple of the videos with the broom handle, but that is very explicit and I cannot really see that it's anything but an easy way to help them "pass" as the "main player" puts it.

I suppose it's a far better exit than they could hope to achieve naturally.

I will try to go for a head stun though, I will do some dummy runs on a 1kg chunk of bacon I bought from Lidl, just to see if the current can be reliably predicted.

The problem I have with any other means of killing is that aside from a destructive blow or gunshot to the brain, there is apparently activity for up to thirty seconds after the event causing death.

I am very grateful for the clip and that will be the route I will take if there is a problem with "plan A".

The videos I had viewed of the practice didn't look half as polished with loads of wing flapping and feathers everywhere kind of outshining the basic message.

As far as I recall, no one helped his chickens "pass" in any either :-)

Thank you.

kwackers
Friday, November 25th, 2022

That broomstick method is very cruel and can bruise the meat if you don't bang them right on the head.

paddycrawford
Friday, November 25th, 2022

Paddycrawford, when people say the broomstick method I think they are usualy talking talking about laying the stick over the neck standing on it and pulling the legs too dislocate the vertebrae rather than hitting them over the head with it.

Glyn
Friday, November 25th, 2022

I did wonder?


It sounds like something I might have considered when the flock laid my peas to waste though :-)

kwackers
Saturday, November 26th, 2022


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