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Cock threading. When should he crow?

Hi everyone, I tryed the search box and google and got a good bit of info but nothing really along the lines of what I wanted to know. I have my hens in with 2 "immature" cocks. I had been holding onto a banty hen and I just put her down to go do something else. I came back to find the "immature" Buff Sussex cock threading her. Its the first time I've seen him do this to any of the hens. Just because he is threading, Does that mean he is fertile? Should he crow soon? Not that I'd be hatching the eggs as he is in with all different breeds. Thanks, Oisin

Oisin Cleary
Wednesday, February 9th, 2011

Near as I can tell crowing, treading, and comb development are related to testosterone levels rising at maturity. Which comes first might be different from bird to bird. Crowing might be inhibited by the presence of an older dominant cock. I wouldn't expect fertile eggs from his first attempt at treading though, this probably takes a small bit of practice, but I'd guess he'll be up to the job soon. Larger breeds might take 7-8 months to fully mature.
Was reading that chicks just a few days old can be induced to crow by injecting them with a high dose of testosterone. How weird is that!

Susan Mc
Wednesday, February 9th, 2011

well you shouldnt breed out of birds less than 2years old

ian cats
Thursday, February 10th, 2011

Well Ian, that's a debatable issue, and you sure didn't convince me with that statement, why say such a thing and not back yourself up with a reason? There are good reasons for waiting to breed from cocks and hens until after 2 years, but there are good reasons not to wait too.
If a cock can tread and produce fertile eggs then there's no reason not to breed from him. You'll know in his first season's chicks whether he's worth continuing to breed from. And not waste the extra year feeding him if he's not. And not risk his line being lost if he's eaten by a fox before he reaches 2 years old.
My chosen breed of large fowl actually declines in cock fertility after the age of 2 years, so I'm not waiting.

Susan Mc
Thursday, February 10th, 2011

Yous hould not breed out of a hen less than 2 years old, i cant see any reason why a cocks age would make much difference.

Guill
Thursday, February 10th, 2011

This is interesting, why not breed out of birds younger then 2 years ? I can understand this for certain types of birds and colours like mottled that only develop the 2e year but surely there is nothing wrong using birds of 1 year old, or is it ?

Marc R
Thursday, February 10th, 2011

yes i would like to know aswell marc wat can a cock do at 2 that he cant do a 12 months why is it that laying hens are got rid of after 2 year old then i wonder were some people get their info from

hunt
Thursday, February 10th, 2011

I am with you here junt, bantams of 6 months old can do the business, nothing wrong with that.

Marc R
Thursday, February 10th, 2011

yes marc i have put 6 month old cocks to hens too with no problums at all

hunt
Thursday, February 10th, 2011

surely if he can thread, then he can breed ?? so why wait and maybe lose a good cock to vermin etc

thomaswhi
Thursday, February 10th, 2011

Thanks Susan. As for the rest of you, Well you can see what the bird has matured to by the time he is 2. He will be sexually and physically mature. But I personally wouldnt wait that long. I think by the time he looks like a proper cock and he is physically mature he can be bred from. So I'd say at least 7months old if not older.

Oisin Cleary
Thursday, February 10th, 2011

as for the rest of us wat are you trying to say oisin i read your tread above 4 times and still dont know wat you are trying to say but it seems you have the answer to your own question yet again

hunt
Thursday, February 10th, 2011

me neither, are you thanking us or telling a story either way your welcome

thomaswhi
Thursday, February 10th, 2011

Not saying either. I was just addressing what the rest of you were talking about. I never asked whether it was a good idea to breed from him until he was 2 and I was just giving my thoughts on it. It was someone else who brought it up that he must be 2 before he should be bred from

Oisin Cleary
Thursday, February 10th, 2011

good lad oisin

hunt
Thursday, February 10th, 2011

Well there you go, I dont know what you mean now? Is that like fairplay or is it more sceptical? Lol! Words only go so far, tone of voice is vital. Unfortunately we can only get words here! :-)

Oisin Cleary
Thursday, February 10th, 2011

not saying either ahh hell fair play lad however i may be one of a few that can bring a tone of voice to words as well you know it hehehe only hunt would say that lol

hunt
Thursday, February 10th, 2011

OK! Lol HEHEHE! It gets a bit confusing at times though! :-)

Oisin Cleary
Thursday, February 10th, 2011

you bet

hunt
Thursday, February 10th, 2011


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